Malmedy massacre "allegedly" happened

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Malmedy massacre "allegedly" happened

Post by Auggie » Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:10 pm

From the Battle of the Bulge article.
Wikipedia wrote:Allegedly, the SS troopers suddenly opened fire on the prisoners.
Just so people don't think I'm crazy when I say Wikipedia is infested with Nazi sympathizers.

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Re: Malmedy massacre "allegedly" happened

Post by The Devil's Advocate » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:19 am

Pretty sure, the "allegedly" is about the opening of fire being "sudden" as in not provoked by anything and looking around there is at least some conflicting testimony to suggest maybe some had tried to escape. However, if this makes the responsible Wikipedia editor a "Nazi sympathizer" then what does that say about the Jewish Virtual Library who, in their article on the massacre, state:
After the captured Americans were herded into the field at the crossroads, they were allegedly shot down by Waffen-SS men from Peiper's Battle Group in what an American TV documentary characterized as an orgy motivated by German "joy of killing."
Unless you are going to seriously take the position that the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise who own the JVL are "Nazi sympathizers" as well, perhaps we can just agree to stow all the "Nazi sympathizer" character assassination business when talking about people who you believe are being too neutral about historical events.

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Re: Malmedy massacre "allegedly" happened

Post by Auggie » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:10 pm

No. It would be neutral to say the Germans executed a group of American prisoners in cold blood, as corroborated by the evidence (eye witnesses and a pile of corpses with execution-style gunshot wounds). It is not neutral to say "allegedly", which is a weasel word.

I don't know why the Jewish Virtual Library is all messed up but it's a web source that looks like it's based on an Idiot's Guide to WWII and some other shaky references.

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Re: Malmedy massacre "allegedly" happened

Post by Renée Bagslint » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:10 pm

I suppose that the wrd "allegedly" was inserted in some sort of pseudo-legalistic reference to the fact that the subsequent trial for war crimes was partly vitiated by misconduct on the part of the prosecution. While that might rule out the evidence for the legal purposes of a trial, it does not rule it out for the purposes of writing an academic historical account. This is the sort of thing that would be well-understood by the expert writers and editors of an academically-written encyclopaedia. Unfortunately that isn't Wikipedia.

Or, as you say, a whitewash.

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Re: Malmedy massacre "allegedly" happened

Post by The Devil's Advocate » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:39 pm

Not as if either source are saying the massacre didn't happen. The question is who among the Germans did it and if it was completely unprovoked. None of that would keep it from being massacre. Shooting everyone dead because a few POWs tried to run wouldn't somehow magically make it not a massacre and war crime.

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