Wikipediocracy's failure is a joy to watch

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Re: Wikipediocracy's failure is a joy to watch

Post by Renée Bagslint » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:23 am

We must never forget that the Foundation's mission is to ensure its own survival by raising funds. It does that by attracting donations, and to do that it needs to keep the servers running. Hence the two biggest teams in operations are Technical Operations and Fundraising Technology. Its donors, small and large, are left-leaning in general and Clintonites in particular. So WMF plays to that crowd. As a (small) Silicon Valley outft they have a specific wish, like all their peers, to keep skilled migration into the US going so they can attract a wide range of skilled staff from other countries that have been to all the trouble and expense of educating them without the US taxpayer. So they have a specific political stance, and making a song and dance about their diversity pleases their donots and their own self-esteem.

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Re: Wikipediocracy's failure is a joy to watch

Post by EarlStatler » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:15 am

They have absolute a political stance! And, people like Erika liked that stance, give there full cooperation and suport to there mission, and get very, very disapointed when they found out they were just fooled. And that's a process were she is in the middle, and that's the reason she was reacting in the way she did.
From my one experience and from others I know it's a kind of transition situation, you view is changing. You get in a twilight zone.

I compered that periode with What is on a Man's Mind, the optical illusion.
You have seen what happend to with here, one moment she was anti-WMF, and in the same topic pro-WMF.
And when I confronted her with this inconsistency, she exploded. And I think she is now very, very ill, because I have talked with so many WMF victims, that always happens. It's a process, I know someone who lost his job in this process. It is almost impossible for them to accept they are fooled in such a way, for some it feels even as a rape. With their clothes on.

But a much bigger problem is wikifaust, I wrote this little fairy tale about Wiki Faust(Dutch). (Robot translation)
The people who have listen to wiki devil, Mefisto. The people who are locked up in a Hotel in California, and can never, never leave.
Because they have accepted the gifts of the wiki devil. Money, status, expensive cars....
The only possibility what is left for them is troll till you drop, TINA, There Is No Alternative.

And that poor, racist insulted lady is of course the African Danae Stratou who want wants to live whit common people, what you can guess if you read here CV, edited bij Erika......

And about my profession, I tell the people fairy tales. I am Momo, my dear Renée,
I'll send you a link to show what I am doing in daily life in a PM.
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Re: Wikipediocracy's failure is a joy to watch

Post by The Joy » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:39 am

I tried to check the WPO forum and blog on my smartphone... definitely not mobile-friendly. I had to really zoom in to read anything.
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Re: Wikipediocracy's failure is a joy to watch

Post by EarlStatler » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:16 am

O, after all it was all about nothing, not worth reading. The sysops of Wikipediocrazy were not with the familiair Kalashnikov way of discussion of the gender gab lady's, that's all.
I am, because I know there way of discussing and there philosophy from the Dutch WP and Wikimedia-NL, and am used to get blocked if you say one word wrong in there opinion as a man.
Anita is close related to the Dutch gender community, because here most times Dutch company and friends are the biggest wikipedia/wikimedia-NL trolls you can imagine. I even thought she was Dutch.

Everything what could be not gender neutral, or is not pro woman you shoot down with brute force, because that's what makes Wikipedia attractive for women to edit. It's the new gender crap approach of the Wiki mouvement from close by, that's all.
And it makes nobody happy, because do you think she is still happy?

It's complete WMF crap, that whole gender discussion om Wikipedia. It is only to please the donors, look how progressive we are.
And I am wondering when Anita find out she is complete misused, like they misuse everybody.

Don't you understand what is going on? Those WMF idiots has tried to troll Wikipedia-NL to there pilot, and were ready spreading there bull shit over the whole world as the solution for there problems. Wikidata is a part of there plan. But there was one problem. Graaf Statler.
Graaf Statler, a complete uneducated and unimportant editor of Wikiquote, a project with three users, who find out they were total wrong, and breaking almost every (international) law, and it was all bullshit what they were predicting as there new strategy. A old man, a kind of a stand builder who is used to work with tools and love to work with his hands.

By the way, did you know the American judge considers trolling and sock pupping in this way as a crime? Wikipedia, always helpful!!! And ever heard about databankrecht (Dutch/European sui generis database right) gentlemen...on, sorry lady's? With your datadump Wikidata?
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Re: Wikipediocracy's failure is a joy to watch

Post by Auggie » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:51 am

The Joy wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:39 am
I tried to check the WPO forum and blog on my smartphone... definitely not mobile-friendly. I had to really zoom in to read anything.
Right!?? This is what I've been saying. These guys have a lot of nerve asking people to spend hours writing articles when they can't even be bothered to fix their website so it shows up properly on mobile. They're missing out on more than 50% of potential readers.
EarlStatler wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:16 am
It's complete WMF crap, that whole gender discussion om Wikipedia. It is only to please the donors, look how progressive we are.
Yep. They've packed a bunch of offices full of big brained people getting high salaries, and need some plausible excuse to say that they're busy doing something. It's the perfect nonsense project to work on. No results ever, and they can blame factors beyond their control and still claim righteousness.

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Re: Wikipediocracy's failure is a joy to watch

Post by The Joy » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:38 am

Wikipedia was built by an ultra-libertarian, anti-Scientology, pro-geek, anti-authority, aggressive, masculine, bro-culture. That's the root culture. It's been that way since it's early beginnings. It'll take even more years to get rid of that culture completely, if that's even possible. There are certain individuals on Wikipedia I like and with whom I might collaborate with, but the negative culture just pervades the place. If they want more diversity (or more anyone, really) on Wikipedia, that twisted culture needs to go.
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Re: Wikipediocracy's failure is a joy to watch

Post by The Devil's Advocate » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:19 am

The Joy wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:38 am
Wikipedia was built by an ultra-libertarian, anti-Scientology, pro-geek, anti-authority, aggressive, masculine, bro-culture. That's the root culture. It's been that way since it's early beginnings. It'll take even more years to get rid of that culture completely, if that's even possible. There are certain individuals on Wikipedia I like and with whom I might collaborate with, but the negative culture just pervades the place. If they want more diversity (or more anyone, really) on Wikipedia, that twisted culture needs to go.
I don't think any of that is the real issue, though. Wikipedia has always been unbalanced towards certain people because by its very nature it appealed to certain people more than others and there are broader points about the cultural expectations for different people as well as accessibility from a purely technical side. Changing the culture isn't going to magically fix its problem and I think the culture has already changed quite a bit. However, the culture is not the real problem with Wikipedia and I think this is where there is a disconnect among critics. You put a powerful tool such as Wikipedia under the control of any particular culture it is going to be run abusively and be used abusively. There is so much power involved in being able to disseminate information through Wikipedia and you know what they say about power. Any group, culture, or ideology having something equivalent to unchecked power over the site would be a bad thing. Unfortunately, when those running the critical communities are generally of the same mind and culture it becomes part of the problem once they begin to succeed at their objectives for change.

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Re: Wikipediocracy's failure is a joy to watch

Post by EarlStatler » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:07 am

I think you are both right. The group The Joy discribes is the particular culture what has wikipedia under control. What is a bestseller by the donors.
So, there is for WMF not any reason to change something.

Except they are incredible stupide, because if this get public, you meet everybody who you met on your way up again on your way down. To kick you complete down. Till you are miles below the earth's surface.......

WMF's future is not bright......
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Re: Wikipediocracy's failure is a joy to watch

Post by The Joy » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:00 am

Zoloft's plea one year later...
Wikipediocracy needs a new Administrator to back me up on WordPress and phpBB maintenance.

We are also in need of two or more forum Global Moderators, to police spammers and keep the peace.

If you're interested, PM me.

Qualifications for Administrator:

Some knowledge of WordPress and its themes, plug-ins and widgets.
Experience running a phpBB forum, BBCode, security, and groups.
Some experience with FTP, .htaccess, and robots.txt would be nice, but not mandatory


Qualifications for Moderator:

A good even Temperament
Ability to pull the trigger


Here's your opportunity to have your name in green or red.
Note: You will have to disclose your real-life identity to our existing Trustees, and be approved by them..

http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtop ... 38#p199238
I take it nothing's changed?
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Re: Wikipediocracy's failure is a joy to watch

Post by EarlStatler » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:01 am

Wikipediocrazy is the site/forum of American Wikipediaan who think Wikipedia-EN is much better off without WMF and Jimmy Wales, and who believe it's better to repair WP-EN than to start from the sketch. I agree with them, it should be a good idea to separate it, and create out of it Wikipedia-USA.

In the first place for legal reasons, because WMF can pull WP-EN under, because for sure WMF will meet the euro lawyers and the EU in the near future, what will be the end for them. And only speaking English is not a base for a Wikipedia. Create independent Wiki's, not controlled by WMF and Meta stewards and chapters filled up with shitheads who are only there to fill there pockets paid by WMF, and the foolish Jimmy vision.
Create a WP-USA, a WP-EN, a WP-AUS, and look for a new and better system. And leave the rest of the world to others, because it's nonsens if you don't understand the language.

Because it's so much more, it's the complete culture. Black month is a good example of culture difference, I had never heard of it, because in Holland discrimination is strict forbidden and nobody even notice if someone is black or gay, or a transgender, except a few lossers and fools. This vision is widely accepted by every political party. We are all the same, Holland is world famous for this. And of course there is sometimes discrimination, but it's a state matter to solve this. What they active do, because Holland is state controlled country.

And because of this reasons a world wide operating WMF is complete nonsens, because the gender gap discussion has ends up in a few apparently horny, bitchy women in the chapter in Holland. I can not draw any another conclusion after all there gender hard porn articles and articles about sex clubs I have seen, and there man unfriendly behaving.

So, Wikipediocrazy and I compleet agree, and I am there Dutch correspondent. At the moment there is news about WP-NL, I am there. And that's the way you have to look at Wikipediocrazy.
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