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Post by EarlStatler » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:37 am

Do you know Liza Minnelli in the movie Cabaret? ? Do you know this frase?

The continent of Europe is so wide, mein herr. Not only up and down, but side to side, mein herr.

And that is treu, lady's and Gentleman. Europe only exist in theory, and the best example is the EU. At it's best the EU is a bad marriage, at it's worst the Brexit.
To many people of other continents it is often complet unclear what the structure of Europe is, and the EU is not the same as Europe. Often they also don't no know the European country's are independent, and the national parliaments have to approve everything what happens in Brussel, the town were the European parlement is established. This makes European regulation extreme difficult and sometimes even impossible.
If you cross a European border, you are in a complete different country. With it's one rules, it's one culture, often it's one language, it's one style of houses, etc. The moral and the social situation in the different European country's can be total different.

A example, we have a state pension, everybody over 67 gets a pension. Our neighbor Germany doesn't have, there you have pensioners who have to live from 300 euro a mount and are collecting empty bottels out of the trash to make a few euro. In Holland health care is on a very high level, in Greece sometimes people who have cancer die because they don't get medicines.The situation of woman can be in a other European country complete different, have a look in Romania, where Roma minorities in the east of the country, close to Moldavia border are living in the way they do for generations. Yes, a country what belongs to the EU.

Let's talk about the gender gap and the gender crap approach of Wikimedia-NL, subsidized by uncle WMF, the rich uncle out of America. Because the forum of our colleges from Wikipediocrazy is a eye opener for me at the moment.
But first about Holland. Holland, were naked boy's and girls are open in the media. They are students of a high school in Belgium who wants to make money for the brain foundation.
Why do they do this? Because they want to do someting good, and are proud of there perfect body's. How do I look at it? The same as if it were kittens, so used a I am to naked people in the media. The are just cute for me.

Holland, were the first complete naked woman was on television in 1967. Holland, the country were we can't find woman for high functions, because our lady dokters and lawyers prefer to work part time. Because they prefer to drive in there fancy lady cars and look after there kids. Holland, were the average salary of young woman is higher than from man.

Holland, with it's own world famous, but informal strict regulated very free moral of sex. Because, it's a misunderstanding, you can't grip every woman by here pussy! O no!
(And be careful to do so, kickboxing and soccer are extreem populair by our young oranje leeuwinnen, they are even European champion.)

And, on the other hand we have the Manhattan gender gap approach what Wikimedia-NL has to implant in the Dutch society with the help of uncle WMF.
Because, that is were they get there grants for, isn't it?

About black people. Me was told I was discriminating black people. That is absolute not true, in general the Dutch don't discriminate black people. OK, every year there is a discussion about Zwarte Piet, but in general Zwarte Piet is still black and loved by many black people.
The Dutch discriminate Moroccans,Turks and Surinamese, but the Surinamese in general not because they are black. What is huge social problem, because the young people of this minorities hardly get work or a internship, but that is a other subject.

What Jimmy and his WMF want with there world wide movement is indeed the flying pony were CrowsNest is asking for. Because it is rediciles to try to implant a American point of few of a few lady's from Manhattan and other thema's in a complete different culture. They simple don't know our culture.
And, I am afraid this is not only the matter with Holland, but in other country's and continents too.

A campaign staffer for Hilary Clinton and money from uncle WMF can't change the Dutch mentality. Every euro, yen or dollar WMF what is spending now in Holland on this flying gender grap pony is a complet wasting of money. It will not make a better wikipedia.
Wikipedia-Nl is a boondoggle and it is about time WMF admits that, instead of just giving money.
But they prefer to cut of the head of the messenger, lucky for me only digital, and history learns us it can never be a solution.

A example of not knowing a culture is the mentioned English article about Zwarte Piet, because it's is far from objective, because that discussion it's only a site effect. In general the tendens is to make Zwarte Piet both black and in other colors, and almost everybody agrees it's in the first place a children party, except for a small group of political correct, rather extremists how fond obvious there way to Wikipedia.
Interesting to tell this discussion is only in the centre of Holland, Amsterdam and surrounding, and almost not in the rest of Holland and Belgium, and not in.....Suriname and Curaçao. Yes lady's and gentleman, In Curaçao and Suriname is Zwarte Piet ......black!

Like I said before, there is hardly discrimination in Holland because someone is black. And again, it's like a friend of me felt himself very discriminated because a child says Sant Claus to him, because of his long, grey beard. Discrimination of a rather fat, old man with a beard.
But, because we don't want to hurt the feeling of these black people, so we change the tradition a bit in Holland, in black and other colored Zwarten Pieten.
Not knowing a culture, and writing a article, it is Wikipedia at it's best.

And why had there be produced a false #Metoo incident on the WMC2017 of Wikimedia-NL? And why doesn't fly the #Metoo mouvement not at al in Europe? And why does Wikimedia-NL and Wikipedia_NL not fly?
Because we have already liberated our women. Because we kicked Johannes Calvijn out long ago. Because we had a time of sexual liberation at the end of the sixties, to make our woman real free. Because we understand sex is a woman"s right. Because we understand if a women wants to fuck with someone, she doesn't have to be ashamed. That she can be the one who asked for sex, and wanted sex with that power full man. She can enjoy that sex, it's no problem. Sex is not the exclusieve area for men anymore in Holland. She can have a good job, a nice fancy car, and a good sex without being ashamed. Of course there are excesses, but in my opinion they have to handled by the police, and not by Wikipedia. Or by Twitter.

So, WMF and your Calvinistic moral, get lost out of Holland and liberate you one woman and kick Calvin out! It's the century of the woman in Holland, because, we, yes we man made them real free! And we don't have to bothering them, because we already get what we want! We don't need you, and we don't want you!



(I talked with many woman about this subject in Holland form different social classes, old and young, but this posting still reflects my personal opinion. And of course I will never approve sex with any form of force, both from man or woman. But why should you in a country were you can get sex paid or not paid, on every corner of the street? And I have not seen in all these years one single #Metoo incident op WP-NL. But what I have seen there were a lot of gender bitches. Gender bitches who were repressing man. Yes, Holland is an emancipated country.
Not one single woman who I spoke agreed with what we can call the Wikipedia-media_NL gender approach, by any means.)
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Re: Europe

Post by Auggie » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:03 am

Holland is pretty cool. Plus you invented tulip bulb speculation, which we thought was as crazy as humans would ever get but now there is bitcoin.

Here in the USA we've gone a bit backwards on nudity. Time was movies like Trading Places were wildly popular, had toplessness but very little violence and got R ratings. Nowadays every movie has crazy beatings and gun violence and gets PG-13 ratings. Even movies targeted towards teenagers. It's sick.

Look at Paul Verhoeven, possibly the most famous Dutch director. Sure, he gave us Robocop which is super violent but he also gave us Starship Troopers which has that memorable shower scene. Starship Troopers is also one of the most anti-violence and anti-fascist movies ever made, and is clever about it. Both movies have strong female characters.

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Re: Europe

Post by Proabivouac » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:16 am

EarlStatler wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:37 am
So, WMF and your Calvinistic moral, get lost out of Holland and liberate you one woman and kick Calvin out!
And yet Calvinism provided the ideological foundation for Dutch independence. Most liberals in the United States are basically atheistic Calvinists. Is this not true of the Netherlands?

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Re: Europe

Post by EarlStatler » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:58 am

Auggie wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:03 am
Holland is pretty cool. Plus you invented tulip bulb speculation, which we thought was as crazy as humans would ever get but now there is bitcoin.

Here in the USA we've gone a bit backwards on nudity. Time was movies like Trading Places were wildly popular, had toplessness but very little violence and got R ratings. Nowadays every movie has crazy beatings and gun violence and gets PG-13 ratings. Even movies targeted towards teenagers. It's sick.

Look at Paul Verhoeven, possibly the most famous Dutch director. Sure, he gave us Robocop which is super violent but he also gave us Starship Troopers which has that memorable shower scene. Starship Troopers is also one of the most anti-violence and anti-fascist movies ever made, and is clever about it. Both movies have strong female characters.
Dutch woman are very strong woman in general. And also in out minorities in general the young woman are better educated than man, many of them have finished a academic study, because everybody can study in Holland. Unfortunately they are in the labor market discriminated, but our gouvernement is doing what they can to help them. The gouvernement stimulates the participation of minorities active.

And what I had forgot to say, homosexual and transgender is in Holland complet accepted. For years you can marry with who ever you want, and in Germany you can even have a neutral gender in your passport. We have a world famous Gay Parade in the canals of Amsterdam whit boots of the police, the army, the gouvernement etc. Why is Wikimedia organizing pink weeks in Holland? It's the same if I start with a Dutch Foundation to support the Americans form Irish origin because they have a huge disadvantage.

Are you gay and a woman and black? Come to holland, and we will love you! Come to the gay bars in a big city, there are plenty. the only problem now is youth of the minorities who sometimes doesn't understand our freedom, but our police is always there to help you in any means. We have a zero tolerance policy for discrimination. Many officers police gay, woman, from a minority. A police officers in Holland is in general very friendly and polite.
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Re: Europe

Post by EarlStatler » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:01 am

Auggie wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:03 am
Holland is pretty cool. Plus you invented tulip bulb speculation, which we thought was as crazy as humans would ever get but now there is bitcoin.

Here in the USA we've gone a bit backwards on nudity. Time was movies like Trading Places were wildly popular, had toplessness but very little violence and got R ratings. Nowadays every movie has crazy beatings and gun violence and gets PG-13 ratings. Even movies targeted towards teenagers. It's sick.

Look at Paul Verhoeven, possibly the most famous Dutch director. Sure, he gave us Robocop which is super violent but he also gave us Starship Troopers which has that memorable shower scene. Starship Troopers is also one of the most anti-violence and anti-fascist movies ever made, and is clever about it. Both movies have strong female characters.
Dutch woman are very strong woman in general. Having sex is not a sign of weakness for them, a woman just wanted to have sex at that moment. #Me too is a sign of the total rotten moral in America, and this is the reason #Metoo doesn't fly in Europe. And also in minorities in general the young woman are better educated than man, many of them have finished a academic study, because everybody can study in Holland. Unfortunately they are in the labor market discriminated, but our gouvernement is doing what they can to help them. Our gouvernement stimulates the participation of minorities active.

And what I had forgot to say, homosexual and transgender is in Holland complet accepted. For years you can marry with who ever you want, and in Germany you can even have a neutral gender in your passport. We have a world famous Gay Parade in the canals of Amsterdam whit boots of the police, the army, the gouvernement etc. Why is Wikimedia organizing pink weeks in Holland? It's the same if I start with a Dutch Foundation to support the Americans form Irish origin because they have a huge disadvantage.

Are you gay and a woman and black? Come to holland, and we will love you! Come to the gay bars in a big city, there are plenty. The only problem now is youth man of the minorities who sometimes doesn't understand our freedom, but our police is always there to help you by any means. We have a zero tolerance policy for discrimination. Many officers police gay, woman, from a minority. A police officers in Holland is in general very friendly, helpful and polite.
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Re: Europe

Post by EarlStatler » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:17 am

Proabivouac wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:16 am
EarlStatler wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:37 am
So, WMF and your Calvinistic moral, get lost out of Holland and liberate you one woman and kick Calvin out!
And yet Calvinism provided the ideological foundation for Dutch independence. Most liberals in the United States are basically atheistic Calvinists. Is this not true of the Netherlands?
No, most of them are atheist, and our liberals are about the same as the American left democrats. Holland is a socialist liberal country. We have for instance the same health insurance for everybody. You get always a basic income of 1.026,35 and when you are living together of 1.412,71 euro.
If you have children you get more. You get always help to get a house, and support to fix your life. We have a state pension, you get about the same as a minimum when you are over 66-67. Nobody has to live on the street, there are people who do, but they get as much help as possible.

Holland is one of the richest country's in the world, it's a kind of Switzerland, so, what for the hell in WMF doing here? We have perfect perfecte universities, everybody can study what he, she or it want, extreem good health care, it's one big party country, so, what is WMF doing here? Why do they have a chapter here? What do they want to stimulate?
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Re: Europe

Post by sashi » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:59 pm

You got me reading up on Calvin. This story of him helping the French Inquisition track down Servetus reminds me of Wikipedia for some reason.

Syracuse, where all roads seem to have been leading lately, or at least their basketball team, is called the Orangemen. I don't know if the Maxwell School has anything to do with the WMF in the NL... maybe they do, maybe they don't...

https://wa.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas_Payis

I wonder if Google can translate Walloon yet?

https://www.colonialvoyage.com/dutch-new-york/#

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Re: Europe

Post by EarlStatler » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:16 am

sashi wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:59 pm
You got me reading up on Calvin. This story of him helping the French Inquisition track down Servetus reminds me of Wikipedia for some reason.

Syracuse, where all roads seem to have been leading lately, or at least their basketball team, is called the Orangemen. I don't know if the Maxwell School has anything to do with the WMF in the NL... maybe they do, maybe they don't...

https://wa.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas_Payis

I wonder if Google can translate Walloon yet?

https://www.colonialvoyage.com/dutch-new-york/#
I didn't know that story. But Calvin was for me always a term, a concept, I didn't know much about his person, so thanks!
And, yes, I am guilty. Although I am from Dutch hardly origin It's all our mistake. The tulip bulbs manie what end up in the bitcoin manie, Calvin in Manhattan and the rest of the States. The slave trade in Africa...... And now that #Metoo mouvement. Poor Americans, with the presents of there little brother Holland.

But We Dutch are always very clever. We had Provo, De Kabouterbeweging, De kraakbeweging, De hippie beweging, De dolle Mina's, all revolutionary movements what has changed our society complete, because we are all a kind of hippies now. Because these people who were the leaders of this movements became later our political leaders.
What gave us the reputation of one big Sodom en Gomorra in the whole world, whit result Amsterdam is one, big tourist attraction with it's red light district, coffee shops where you can by as much Hasjies as you want, it's gay bars, in short, our Sodom and Gomorra.
In Holland it's complete normal a girl of 16 ask here mother to buy condoms, and tell here later how it was with here first boy friend. Or when a woman tell on television with who she had sex in the past. What #Metoo? She creates over it with here frends with who she slept. Just like a man should do if he had slept with a famous popstar. Those Americans are frustrated, and don't understand what real feminism is, that's the whole point!

And I want to make very clear I am talking about the sex two people wanted at that moment, and not about forced sex. If there is clearly a unequal relation, sex is forbidden in Holland. Like for instance sex between a doctor and a patient. But in that case someone has to go to the police, and not to Twitter!
Yes, she can talk about what happend to here whit a nice, female police officer. Yes, a girl can talk with here mother if something went wrong with a trainer without being ashamed. Yes, also when it is a Christian family. She is a victim, not a whore, her mother will help her and go with here to the police together. Yes, we have special state programs to avoid sexual abuse of young people, boys and girls.

But how can a relationship be unequal with our strong, high educated proud and rich woman? I think we man must start a gender gap mouvement on WP-NL Seems to me a better goal to supported for WMF.
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