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Milo Yiannopoulos

Post by The Devil's Advocate » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:13 am

Noticed this thread at BLPN and was flabbergasted at what editors are trying to keep in this man's article. The material in question is seeking to claim of Yiannopoulos that "Much of the work at Breitbart which brought Yiannopoulos to national attention was inspired by the ideas of neo-Nazis and white nationalists." Anyone with any familiarity with Yiannopoulos and his career can tell you these claims are bollocks. What is cited as a source for these claims is a BuzzFeed News article on Breitbart. Now, since I am referenced in the piece I am quite familiar with what the article says and doesn't say. It absolutely never says anything like what is claimed on Wikipedia. How Wikipedia summarizes the article is a good case in point of how Wikipedia acts as a propagator of fake news narratives, since the only instance where the piece talks of anyone getting ideas from neo-Nazis is with regards to the creation of an article explaining the alt-right. That is exactly when you would expect a journalist to be reaching out to neo-Nazis as you would want to know how they view the movement and their part in it if you are trying to do the article properly.

I wasn't too shocked when I saw Steeletrap was responsible for putting the information in there in the first place. One need only check what I mentioned about Steeletrap in the Roy Moore thread to get a good idea of this editor's track record with BLPs. Steeletrap was even banned for half a year from the article on Yiannopoulos, but obviously was able to get back in time to put this trash on his page. As it turns out, however, Steeletrap is now banned from political BLPs entirely after engaging in more shenanigans regarding the Brett Kavanaugh article. Unfortunately, no one seems interested in the provenance of this material or whether it is even an accurate reflection of the source cited for the material. Not so shockingly, most of those showing up to defend the material are exactly the kind of people who would be less interested in defending Milo's good name for political reasons.

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Re: Milo Yiannopoulos

Post by The Devil's Advocate » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:15 am

Wow, it is amazing how low Wikipedia can get sometimes. Obsidi filed a complaint against MjolnirPants after the latter abused rollback privileges to restore the defamatory claims about Yiannopoulos. The abuse of rollback in an edit war to restore challenged BLP content alone should have been enough to have the discussion focused on Mjolnir, but somehow it got turned into a proceeding against Obsidi and he was blocked indefinitely. Looking over the discussion, all I see is procedural gobbledygook thrown out as reasons for why Obsidi reporting Mjolnir was a bad thing. As with many other discussions, this one is slanted by left-wing editors. Even a literal socialist showed up and was one of the three editors to vote for an indefinite block before it came down (Mjolnir was another).

Should anyone really want to tell me Wikipedia's processes work to achieve the best outcome they should just be directed to that thread. The socialist is literally faulting Obsidi for not being able to prove a negative by providing sources stating the claims about Yiannopoulos are false. None of them has presented a source that says the claims are true! Probably, that is because even the most biased journalists know the claims are such bullshit they would risk being sued into oblivion if they made them. Every source Mjolnir points to in his boomerang request mention Nazis and Yiannopoulos somewhere on the same page, but this is about as a close as any source gets to substantiating the very significant claim that "Much of the work at Breitbart which brought Yiannopoulos to national attention was inspired by the ideas of neo-Nazis and white nationalists."

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Re: Milo Yiannopoulos

Post by sashi » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:25 pm

For the first time today, I looked into Milo Yiannopoulous (partially because his stylistic devices and word choice reminded me of some provocateurs I've read). In the course of that idle inquiry, I happened to watch a video where he went ballistic when asked by the BBC's James Cook if he considered himself a white nationalist, saying that conflating his strong dislike for Islamic law/culture's treatment of homosexuality with racism / white nationalism was basically a cheap parlor trick. video @ a bit after 6:10.

I suppose the "right-thinking Wikipedians" may want to say he's simply in denial, but at least in October 2016, he thought the argument preposterous.

Meanwhile, I gather he got a post praising whoever is sending explosives through the mail taken down from Instagram today.

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Re: Milo Yiannopoulos

Post by The Devil's Advocate » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:09 pm

sashi wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:25 pm
For the first time today, I looked into Milo Yiannopoulous (partially because his stylistic devices and word choice reminded me of some provocateurs I've read). In the course of that idle inquiry, I happened to watch a video where he went ballistic when asked by the BBC's James Cook if he considered himself a white nationalist, saying that conflating his strong dislike for Islamic law/culture's treatment of homosexuality with racism / white nationalism was basically a cheap parlor trick. video @ a bit after 6:10.

I suppose the "right-thinking Wikipedians" may want to say he's simply in denial, but at least in October 2016, he thought the argument preposterous.

Meanwhile, I gather he got a post praising whoever is sending explosives through the mail taken down from Instagram today.
He was joking and he has a tendency for offensive humor. Of course, these days offensive humor is treated as if it indistinguishable from advocacy. Incidentally, they did go off on a tangent about Mjolnir's civility, but this has been shut down with a mere warning to be civil in the future. Even then the only specific threat of a block involved threats of violence, which should generally not require a warning for someone to understand it is not appropriate. Restoring defamatory slander to Milo's page is considered a settled matter where the defamers appear to be victorious.

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Re: Milo Yiannopoulos

Post by sashi » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:22 pm

I admit that reading his comment about The Daily Beast secondhand made me chuckle. Shame on me. ^^

Speaking of the DB: have you read this by any chance?

I don't know enough about Milo to have an informed opinion on everything he's ever said or to try to prove he's not an X, but really a Y.

And in the grand scheme of things it's not Milo's page, it's a wikipedia page about Milo. Informed readers (like you) know and can show the difference, if asked (and so inclined).

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Re: Milo Yiannopoulos

Post by The Devil's Advocate » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:26 am

Mark Bernstein, who was banned a year for violating a ban from GamerGate and related topics, decided to get himself indeffed by trying to defend the defamatory "Milo's work was mostly inspired by Nazis" smear. He tried to argue that he forgot Milo was connected to GamerGate despite it literally being right there in the lede and in a number of the sources he cited as well as the one falsely cited as supporting the bogus claim. So either he was lying or he didn't read the sources he was citing, which is plausible given none of the sources supported the claim people were trying to support.

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