Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by The Devil's Advocate » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:02 am

What I find really funny is in all the discussion of this, it doesn't seem anyone has bothered to pick up on the fact that when you examine the concepts in quantum theory he is discussing, SMcCandlish is literally just identifying as someone existing in the material world.

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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by Proabivouac » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:43 am

Someone brought this case before ArbCom.

Allegedly due to real-world threats from User:Fæ, Barbara Page has submitted a grovelling apology:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... bara_(WVS)
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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by Dysklyver » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:36 pm

The signpost is clearly edited by utter barbarians that deserve to banned at the very least.

Oh nobody runs the signpost anymore?

Well just lynch the Barbara person instead. That will work.

Does it matter that SMC wrote the whole thing years ago? Clearly not.

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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by The Devil's Advocate » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:45 am

Looks like if a case does happen it will be targeted at Fæ for targeting Barbara and McCandlish. Floquenbeam has weighed in saying he should perhaps be a party, but that he believes everything except Fæ's behavior has been resolved. However, some points haven't really been addressed and that includes Floquenbeam's behavior specifically. While there may be those who criticize his quick unblock of Barbara, the bothersome thing to me is his repeated restoration of an obnoxiously inflammatory and demeaning note to the Signpost essay backhandedly attacking both Barbara and McCandlish. Clearly, he was joining in on the pitchfork mob mentality with uncivil aspersions against two people who edit under their real names, unlike him, and was arguably vandalizing the page in the process on top of edit-warring. Any one of these would pretty unbecoming of an administrator and especially all of them together are quite unbecoming. Probably, the reason his behavior isn't really being discussed is that he was moving in sync with the mob then rather than moving against them.

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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by Tommy » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:56 am

Fae won the gender-neutral pronoun fight on commons -
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Comm ... l_language
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... l-pronouns

This fake outrage push may be a method of canvassing users / support for a go around attempt at turning Wikipedia articles at large to gender-neutral.

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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by Proabivouac » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:56 pm

Tommy wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:56 am
Fae won the gender-neutral pronoun fight on commons -
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Comm ... l_language
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... l-pronouns

This fake outrage push may be a method of canvassing users / support for a go around attempt at turning Wikipedia articles at large to gender-neutral.
This goal here is not gender-neutrality:
Fæ wrote: I'd even say this is worth a little 'discomfort' in order to adopt modern best practices and take positive steps to feel more welcoming for women, trans and genderqueer future contributors.
Fæ's invocation of women is entirely insincere. Here is the key point as quoted from the commons policy:
Wikimedia Commons wrote: "If you want to use a photographer’s picture, please ask his or her permission first".
Avoid. This makes an unwarranted binary assumption that the photographer identifies as either male or female. This is considered to be non-gender neutral and can appear unwelcoming to readers who identify as neither.
All the other dos and don'ts are camouflage for that.

The policy was written i in April 2017 Michael Maggs, a trustee of Wikimedia UK:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.p ... =239963479
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.p ... =263799825

Maybe the funniest thing (it's hard to decide) is the use of "welcoming [environment]" to mean one in which contributors are blocked or banned on Wikipedia and tracked down and threatened in real life for holding majority opinions.
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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by Tommy » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:47 am

Welcoming the non-binary 1% (or is it 2%?) is obviously more important than the 98%-99% of people who use standard English pronouns.

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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by EarlStatler » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:17 pm

Don't forget most of the wiki-users have a mental deficiency, most times autism and for them are these relative unimportant details extreem important. It's the same with a spelling error, for them it makes a article worthless, but on the other hand they don't care about the content. They are obsessed, spent day and night on wikipedia, but the problem is Wikipedia is a black hole. And in this way they get complete absorbed in it because they get lost in all these details.
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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by Proabivouac » Wed May 08, 2019 4:56 pm

As readers of Wikipediocracy and WIkipedia's Administrators' Noticeboard are all too painfully aware, Fæ has resumed his bizarre pronoun crusade (h/t Vigilant):

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 5396479#Fæ

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... con_and_Fæ

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... of_nowhere

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... preference

Of all Fæ's comments here, this may be the craziest:
Fæ wrote: It would be an odd technicality to interpret "gender" as not covering "gender identity", which is why gender pronouns exist.
That's right, gendered pronouns were created so that transgenders could use them.

Fæ asks to be referenced (not "addressed" as the Wikipedians keep saying) as "they" under the premise that this is now is a standard way of referring to a singular third person. However, the singular use of "they" is mostly limited to generic referents, not specific people, which are often semantically if not grammatially plural. For example, "Everyone gets to choose their own pronouns" sounds quite natural, even though "everyone" is grammatically singular. But in "Billy complained about the things Sally was writing about them", "them" sounds like it should refer to both Sally and Billy, or to some third party which had been mentioned in a previous sentence.
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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by EarlStatler » Wed May 08, 2019 6:47 pm

Anyway, Vigilant is a total lunatic and from Fæ I don't know, but if he is, what is the differents between them?
It's a fucking group of wiki addicted wiki idiots, most of them with a massive mental defect. I just did the proposal on Sucks to send a panel of European psychiatrists down to LA. Not because I don't trust the American, but because I don't think the clinics in LA have not enough capacity if gets clear what is going on there.
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