Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by Proabivouac » Wed May 08, 2019 7:18 pm

EarlStatler wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 6:47 pm
Anyway, Vigilant is a total lunatic and from Fæ I don't know, but if he is, what is the differents between them?
Vigilant is definitely not insane. He seems to enjoy mocking and tormenting people but in Fæ he's found an eager target. You're probably too young to remember Fæ's infamous bondage pix. Not of other people, but of himself in humiliating poses, uploaded to Wikipedia. What is the motivation of someone who does that? Fæ enjoys ridicule and he needs it to be sexualized. His very username invites it.

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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by EarlStatler » Wed May 08, 2019 8:50 pm

Vig? A joker with a big mouth and wikipedia and computer addicted. Properly the overweighted no girly and pizza type.
Because every normal thinking person without his Asperger brains should think I don't care, not my problem.
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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by The Devil's Advocate » Thu May 09, 2019 5:33 am

Fæ is doing what he always does: playing the victim to get out of trouble. Normally, pointing out that the subject of a deletion discussion is rallying people against deletion on Twitter is par for the course, but Fæ decided to make something completely nefarious out of it. Recent drama has been stirred up over someone saying a female admin was "being a bitch" because said admin was being a jerk, but because the user used a gendered word for "jerk" instead, he has been banned. Most slurs and curse words have no inherently special meaning as an insult and the offense is solely based off emotion and perception as it is with "bitch" since it is really just a gender-specific way of calling someone a jerk.

Yet calling a man "creepy" has a very loaded and harmful meaning. It invites a certain kind of image and demands a certain kind of response. Since Wikipedia is aligned with the regressive groupthink they do not see it as being worse, even though it really is worse, so the only consequence for using "creepy" was to remove the comments.

Despite there being a very clear sign that no real consequence would come to him, Fæ has still sought to distract from his behavior by making a fuss over the fact someone dared to use the "incorrect" pronouns. Never mind gender-neutral pronouns were being used, they just weren't the "correct" ones, which makes the whole thing that much more absurd. It is a much more effective strategy than when he pulled that kind of thing with homophobic harassment back in 2012. Didn't help that he tried to leverage his position at Wikimedia UK at the time to try and get the Foundation to intervene with ArbCom, but even without that it wasn't working well. Now, ArbCom literally blocked a case on conduct they believed was worthy of one because they were concerned about the "optics" of only going after the gay guy.

This discussion had some interesting developments with me too. I recently joined the WO Discord channel, which has different administration from the main site and thus seemed trustworthy. Subsequently, I joined the Wikimedia Community Discord. All this discussion about Fæ was brought up in the latter and I expressed my "politically incorrect" views on the subject in a completely civil manner and found myself banned from the former. Mind you, I did not discuss it in the WO Discord. Rather, someone from the WO Discord saw the conversation in the Wikimedia Discord and banned me over the mere fact I hold those views. Much of the criticism sphere has been afflicted with this kind of cancerous ideology as has Wikipedia and all are suffering for it.

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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by Proabivouac » Thu May 09, 2019 7:45 pm

Fæ is now receiving "death threats" on Commons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... ath_threat
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 10261#Fear
sockpuppet wrote: There are only two genders. "Singular they" is incorrect English. Fascist freaks like you should literally all be rounded up and shot.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Spec ... s/Oisehuck
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Spec ... s/Idylsara

Far from being concerned, Fæ will carry these around as treasured gems to impugn the motives of his opponents. He asks for information about the sockmaster, who, for all we know, is Fæ himself. Similar questions surrounded various throwaway sockpuppets who posted outrageous statements during the bondage pix drama.

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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by The Devil's Advocate » Thu May 09, 2019 11:39 pm

Certainly inappropriate and inflammatory, but technically not a death threat. He will indeed parade this around in the future and try to use it to get out of trouble should all this come to a head.

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Food fight!

Post by sashi » Fri May 10, 2019 12:25 am

someone from the WO Discord saw the conversation in the Wikimedia Discord and banned me over the mere fact I hold those views
All these culture wars! What ever happened to good old food fights? ^^

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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by Proabivouac » Fri May 10, 2019 5:40 am

The Devil's Advocate wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 11:39 pm
Certainly inappropriate and inflammatory, but technically not a death threat. He will indeed parade this around in the future and try to use it to get out of trouble should all this come to a head.
Fæ kinda reminds me of Jussie Smollett, honestly. Didn't one of his pix include a noose?

Here's an old thread in which a certain banned user busts Fæ for plagiarism:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Comm ... on_map.png
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?sh ... 5973&st=20

This helps give a feel for Fæ's natural level of sincerity.

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Re: Pronouns as Wikipedia hate crime

Post by Proabivouac » Sun May 12, 2019 2:17 am

Here's Fæ's latest POV pushing article about a Ukrainian gay activist allegedly facing persecution:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =896576784
Fæ wrote: On 30 January 2019, Globa was married in New York to another Ukrainian. There remains no recognition for same-sex marriage in the Ukraine.
Fæ would never editorialize about this subject, of course. His very first source is self-published and his fourth is a youtube video. What, no Linkedin?

No enthusiasm for putting this school shooter in Category:LGBT people for whatever reason:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... osexuality

Here Fæ and GorillaWarfare make sure that his co-shooter is not "misgendered":

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... or_(minor)

Now another article about a Russian gay activist allegedly facing persecution:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =896755836

FIrst source to Gay City News, second to a blog. The other sources are about the law and the lawsuit, not about Bajev.

Say, whatever happened to Benjiboi?

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