Vladimir Lenin

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Proabivouac
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Vladimir Lenin

Post by Proabivouac » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:57 am

The most important biography of the 20th century and it's a POV vs. POV bloody mess:
Wikipedophiles wrote: "Service stated that Lenin could be "moody and volatile",[480] and Pipes deemed him to be "a thoroughgoing misanthrope",[481] a view rejected by Read, who highlighted many instances in which Lenin displayed kindness, particularly toward children.[482] According to several biographers, Lenin was intolerant of opposition and often dismissed outright opinions that differed from his own.[483] He could be "venomous in his critique of others", exhibiting a propensity for mockery, ridicule, and ad hominem attacks on those who disagreed with him.[484] He ignored facts that did not suit his argument,[485] abhorred compromise,[486] and very rarely admitted his own errors.[487] He refused to change his opinions, until he rejected them completely, after which he would treat the new view as if it was just as unchangeable.[488] Lenin showed no sign of sadism or of personally desiring to commit violent acts, but he endorsed the violent actions of others and exhibited no remorse for those killed for the revolutionary cause.[489] Adopting an amoral stance, in Lenin's view the end always justified the means;[490] according to Service, Lenin's "criterion of morality was simple: does a certain action advance or hinder the cause of the Revolution?"[491]"
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Renée Bagslint
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Re: Vladimir Lenin

Post by Renée Bagslint » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:10 am

Proabivouac wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:57 am
The most important biography of the 20th century and it's a POV vs. POV bloody mess:
Wikipedophiles wrote: "Service stated that Lenin could be "moody and volatile",[480] and Pipes deemed him to be "a thoroughgoing misanthrope",[481] a view rejected by Read, who highlighted many instances in which Lenin displayed kindness, particularly toward children.[482] [...]
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... cteristics
How would you have phrased it? Perhaps following Bakunin:
Bakunin wrote:"The Left says, 2 times 2 are 4; the Right, 2 times 2 are 6; and the Juste-milieu says, 2 times 2 are 5"

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Re: Vladimir Lenin

Post by Auggie » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:03 pm

Many genocidal dictators are calm and sweet when you meet them in person. Hitler loved his dog so much Eva Braun used to kick her under the table.

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Re: Vladimir Lenin

Post by Proabivouac » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:23 am

Renée Bagslint wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:10 am
How would you have phrased it? Perhaps following Bakunin:
Bakunin wrote:"The Left says, 2 times 2 are 4; the Right, 2 times 2 are 6; and the Juste-milieu says, 2 times 2 are 5"
Such "psychological personality summary" sections are highly unusual for Wikipedia biographies and no doubt resulted from one faction of editors trying to paint him as a psychopath and another trying to "balance" the text. The paragraph in question should be deleted.

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